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And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

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  • 01-29-2008 10:47 PM

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    And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    There is an absolute unwavering assurance from Gods heart to others but apparently as I have been so many times made to understand by those who have a sincere Christ Like compassion for me here in these forums there is certainly NOT any type of assurance of any kind whatsoever from Gods heart to me......

    I was so sure I could really trust him for anything and everything and yet now I have learned from you all that I can trust him for nothing, OH what a fool I have been for so many long long long wasted years.
     
    Again as best as I can and as sincerely as I am able too I apologize to you all and humbly beg for everyones forgiveness for having so foolishly expected God to be faithful to ME. 
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  • 01-30-2008 7:24 AM In reply to

    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    Please read my other post directed to you.

    with love,

    your sister in Christ

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  • 01-30-2008 9:29 AM In reply to

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    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    Michael:
    There is an absolute unwavering assurance from Gods heart to others but apparently as I have been so many times made to understand by those who have a sincere Christ Like compassion for me here in these forums there is certainly NOT any type of assurance of any kind whatsoever from Gods heart to me......

    I was so sure I could really trust him for anything and everything and yet now I have learned from you all that I can trust him for nothing, OH what a fool I have been for so many long long long wasted years.
     
    Again as best as I can and as sincerely as I am able too I apologize to you all and humbly beg for everyones forgiveness for having so foolishly expected God to be faithful to ME. 
     
    Michael , if you are genuine ? then I honestly feel sorry for you.
    But I must be honest and say I am beginning to wonder if you are just here to try and mess people about.
     
    If you put into practice all the advice you have been given in these forums to help you , (because people have genuinely tried to help you Michael , not only since you rejoined cfaith communities recently but also last time you were here as well) then your life would completely turn around for the better , but if you don't take the advice given by brothers and sisters at cfaith communities (and you can tell they know what they are talking about) then I don't think you want to be helped.
     
    To all my brothers and sisters who read this post I apologize to you if I sound rather hard here , I'm surprised at my self of how I feel inside concerning  this on going situation with our brother. The best way I can describe is Righteous indignation , I hope I explained myself properly there guys , do you know what I mean ? what I'm trying to express in words ,  is this ,it's the  uncomfortable feeling inside concerning Michael , ( now I know we don't go by feelings , what I'm trying to explain to you is deeper than that ),I honestly question does he really want help or his he just here wasting peoples time.
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  • 01-30-2008 11:05 AM In reply to

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    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    Sandy, I understand what you are saying (Righteous Indignation), I have experienced the same feelings from his words.
    I am doing the best I can to keep my big mouth shut! I think all of you have given this person sound advice.
    Praise God,
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  • 01-30-2008 11:36 AM In reply to

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    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    Is there a gray area with God? Does all of the covenant promises that are recorded in his word apply equally to every believers life or are there some that apply fully only to a select few?
     
    Sandy you are expressing your anger against me for what you think is my wrong attitude and my supposedly causing those who come to these forums and read my posts to think bad of God and the truth of the matter is can everyone actually completely trust in the absolute unwavering faithfulness of God?
     
    Does all of Gods word really mean exactly what all of Gods word actually says for everyone everywhere?

    I have made certain specific requests of God standing on his covenant promises which state:
     
    Matthew 21:22: And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
     
    Mark 11:24: Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
     
    John 14:14:If ye shall ask anything in my name I will do it.
     
    Sandy these are covenant promsies that were spoken directly out of the mouth of Jesus, my question to you and every other member of these forums who have decided that I must be judged and condemned for my frustration is simply this:
     
    Are these promises true and IF they are who do they apply to and do they apply to all things, in every area of EVERY believers life?
     
    These forums are called C Faith they are I would suppose meant to build up an indiviudals faith in GOD and HIS covenant promsies, and the thing that BOTHERS me greatly is the fact that you have all taken a stand AGAINST me when IF you really were making even the slightest attempt to encourage me you would stop passing false judgments and you would especially STOP condemning me falsely as many of you so often have!
     
    I have been called a liar for having stated that I have done everything Gods word requires of me to the best of my ability.
     
    No I have NOT been absolutely perfect 100% of the time, but have any of you?
     
    Yes I fall short probably more than any of the rest of you, but I can gurantee you all this IF I do fall short I immdeiately go to prayer and BEG tearfully for Gods forgiveness for that trangression and I am confident that he DOES forgive me and that he DOES forget forever whatever it is that I did wrong.
     
    I do not now and I will never believe that God would hold any type of consequence against anyone for anything that he has forgiven them of because IF he did it would mean that the blood of Jesus would of none effect in the cleansing of the sins of those who come to Jesus for their redemption!
     
    I guess what hurts me more than anything though is the fact that I am being made to feel like I am some low down individual who does not have an equal right to expect God to stand true to his covenant promises just as much as any of the rest of you are.
     
    Just tell me is there a gray area with God and if there is what is it, because this actually takes in much more than just asking God to provide the funds that I will need to do what he has called me to do,  it also includes whether or not I can completley trust God for my complete salvation!
     
    If One cannot trust God completely for everything it stands to reason that one might not be able to completely trust God for anything.
     
    You all have a LOT of explaining to do to justify FROM Gods word why YOU all think that I do not have an equal right to fully expect God to stand true to all of his covenant promises for ME.
     
    You all might also want to prayerfully consider:  Galatians 6:1-2: Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault (trangression, point of weakness, feebleness, trial, tribulation, temptation, sickness, or persecution) ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

    You MIGHT just find yourself in the same place I am right now if you are NOT careful about HOW you judge and condemn me!

    I will patiently wait for your responses.....
     
     
     
     
     
     
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  • 01-30-2008 11:56 AM In reply to

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    do you think of my response as judgemental?  because it was not intended as such. 

    There are areas where we all miss it and don't even see it.   consider the possibility in your own life please.

    You did not answer my question.  Do you believe in the statement of faith for this organization?  If not, what points do you disagree with?

      What We Believe
     
    • The Old and New Testaments are the inspired, infallible and authoritative Word of God. The Word is the divine and final authority for the Christian life.

    • There is one God, the creator of all things, who is infinitely perfect and eternally existent in three persons; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

    • Jesus Christ is the union of God and man. He is True God and True Man, conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived a sinless life and died on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of all men. He arose bodily from the dead, ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father as our high priest and advocate.

    • Man was created in the image of God, but fell into sin, which resulted in his spiritual death and separation from God. Only through regeneration by the Holy Spirit can salvation and spiritual life be obtained. This process of regeneration, referred to as being "born again" in the Word, takes place through a combination of faith and confession.

    • The present day ministry of the Holy Spirit is to comfort and guide the believer, with the final purpose of glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ in the earth. Every believer should be filled with the Holy Spirit, with speaking in tongues as the initial physical evidence.

    • Without faith it is impossible to please God. The Word tells us that the just (those who have been justified by the blood of Jesus) shall live by faith. The redemptive work of Jesus not only provided salvation for the believer, but healing and prosperity as well for our spiritual, soulish and physical man. We are redeemed from the curse of the law - poverty, sickness, oppression, and any thing that prevents us from fulfilling His plan.

    • The premillenial Second Coming of Jesus Christ is two-part in nature; He will come in the air to resurrect the righteous dead and catch away the living saints; He will then come to the earth to establish His physical Kingdom, and begin His thousand-year reign.

    • There will be a bodily resurrection of the dead; the believer to everlasting joy with the Lord and the unbeliever to judgment and eternal punishment.
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  • 01-30-2008 12:58 PM In reply to

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    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    Sandy,
     
    I agree with you concerning Michael, My spirit does not bear witness to his spirit. There is something not right concerning his use of the Word. The Spirit of the Lord does not cause strife but brings peace this person does not have any peace but brings railings against the Lord  and his word. I have been reading his posts and we are not dealing with a person may I be so bold to say , but a spirit and not the Spirit of the Lord. Many have reached out but he contends with all. This is a unteachable spirit.
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  • 01-30-2008 1:15 PM In reply to

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    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    onewhoserves:
    do you think of my response as judgemental?  because it was not intended as such. 

    There are areas where we all miss it and don't even see it.   consider the possibility in your own life please.

    You did not answer my question.  Do you believe in the statement of faith for this organization?  If not, what points do you disagree with?

      What We Believe
     
    • The Old and New Testaments are the inspired, infallible and authoritative Word of God. The Word is the divine and final authority for the Christian life.

    • There is one God, the creator of all things, who is infinitely perfect and eternally existent in three persons; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

    • Jesus Christ is the union of God and man. He is True God and True Man, conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived a sinless life and died on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of all men. He arose bodily from the dead, ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father as our high priest and advocate.

    • Man was created in the image of God, but fell into sin, which resulted in his spiritual death and separation from God. Only through regeneration by the Holy Spirit can salvation and spiritual life be obtained. This process of regeneration, referred to as being "born again" in the Word, takes place through a combination of faith and confession.

    • The present day ministry of the Holy Spirit is to comfort and guide the believer, with the final purpose of glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ in the earth. Every believer should be filled with the Holy Spirit, with speaking in tongues as the initial physical evidence.

    • Without faith it is impossible to please God. The Word tells us that the just (those who have been justified by the blood of Jesus) shall live by faith. The redemptive work of Jesus not only provided salvation for the believer, but healing and prosperity as well for our spiritual, soulish and physical man. We are redeemed from the curse of the law - poverty, sickness, oppression, and any thing that prevents us from fulfilling His plan.

    • The premillenial Second Coming of Jesus Christ is two-part in nature; He will come in the air to resurrect the righteous dead and catch away the living saints; He will then come to the earth to establish His physical Kingdom, and begin His thousand-year reign.

    • There will be a bodily resurrection of the dead; the believer to everlasting joy with the Lord and the unbeliever to judgment and eternal punishment.
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    What does ANY of this have to do with what I have asked?
     
    I did not single out ONE specific individual as the ONE in particular who hasd falsely judged and condemned, these individuals know exadctly who they are without me having to name them, fact is I am sure they have already been heavily convicted for their wrongs against me by the Holy Spirit, whether they correctly acknowledge their trangressions and repent is entirely left up to their own personal discretion.
     
    As to your question of whether or not I agree with the statement of faith of this orginization my answer is YES I do, I believe in ALL of Gods word as an everlasting unchanging truth, HOWEVER it is being greatly suggested to me by some mebers of these forums that I do NOT have the right to expect GOD to provide me with any and all of the funds that will be necessary for me to fulfill the calling and purpose that HE has called me to BEFORE I strep out to do what he has called me to fulfill!
     
    I have condemned by one member because of the fact that I do NOT work full time. IF i is a sin for me not to work (because of a physical disability which does not permit me to work full time) then it certainly must also be a sin for all those who no longer wo0rkat full time jobs and are now retired and receiving social security benefits!
     
    MY belief is I have been placed in the circumstance that I am now in so I can be dedicated and devoted to full time service for the Lords work, but you may not agree with that which is of course your right to believe, even it is IMHO incorrect.
     
    It has also been strongly suggested to me by some members of the forums that I should pray and ask God if there might be some area that I needed to be corrected in and repent and come to a place of right standing with God in that area.
     
    MY answer to this suggestion was I have done these things and yet even with that HONEST answer those individuals have repeatedly accused me of lying when I have always been totally truthful in everyway, a fact which GOD is very aware of!

    Some strongly disagree with my beliefs that I ought to be able to expect God to porvide whatever funds or provisions that might be necessary for me to step out and do whatever it is he would require of me as a minister in advance but what is worng with someone asking this of God?
     
    Jesus said that NOTHING would be impossible to them that believe! He also said that ALL things are possible to them that believe and the angel of the Lord told Mary (the mpther of Jesus) that NOTHING is impossible with God!
     
    All I am doing is standing on those covenant promises of God, and every other covenant promise of God with all of the faith that I now still have intact have inside of me.
     
    And I feel very strongly that I am being wrongfully condemned for taking that stand by SOME members of these forums.
     
    So as I stated I now await THEIR justification based on sound Scriptural evidence for their condemnation of me.
     
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  • 01-30-2008 1:26 PM In reply to

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    Gillion1:
    Sandy,
     
    I agree with you concerning Michael, My spirit does not bear witness to his spirit. There is something not right concerning his use of the Word. The Spirit of the Lord does not cause strife but brings peace this person does not have any peace but brings railings against the Lord  and his word. I have been reading his posts and we are not dealing with a person may I be so bold to say , but a spirit and not the Spirit of the Lord. Many have reached out but he contends with all. This is a unteachable spirit.

    Sadly you and Sandy are BOTH very very wrong in your false judgment and hateful condemnation of me again I strongly suggest that you prayerfully consider Galatians 6 verses 1 and 2.
     
    YOU both suppose that I do not have the Lords Spirit resident in me, which spirit was it exactly that gave you correct discernment to make that judgment?

    I do not personally believe that it was the Holy Spirit because HE has seen my many tears and HE has heard my hearts cry MANY MANY times when I have cried out to God for answers!!
     
    You both seem to think that I have turned away from God when I have NEVER done that!

    I am fighting with all of my heart to STAND in the midst of this severe attack against my personal confidence in all of Gods word and what hurts me more than anything else is the fact that  those who ought to be helping me are fighting against me falsely judging me and wrongfully condemning me!!
     
    I pray sincerely and fervently that neither of you EVER find yourselves in the place that I now find myself in, being wrongfully judged and falsely condemned by those who profess to be Christs.
     
    I sincerely forgive you all in Christs name...
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  • 01-30-2008 2:38 PM In reply to

    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

     
    2 Corinthians 1:20
    For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
     
    Deuteronomy 7:9
    Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations
     
    Acts 10:34
    Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons
     
    God cannot lie, His promises are true.
     
    This should answer most of your  basic questions. But  God's  promises   are conditional, even though His love is unconditional.  Many times he said IF you do this ....,  I will .........
     
    John 15:7
    If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
     
    There are many more. And we need to take all verses into consideration concerning a certain subject. It would take books and books of writing here so searching the Bible in this way would be better.
     
    The verse above, abiding IN HIM  would even include the conditions  of our walk toward others , as well as God; like walking in love, not being bitter or unforgiving, not taking up an offense  or holding  on to it , being obedient to His word in attitude and deed.  It has eveyrything to do with His promises being fulfilled in our lives and answered prayer.  Jesus said those who love him obey Him and those who do not love their brother, do not have  the love of God abiding  in them.  But He says if we are wiling and obedient we will eat the good of the land. It  just takes an adjustment on the inside.
     
    There have been several Michael's here. Whatever happened I am sorry.  I  humbly submit these things to you in the fear of the Lord, and I pray all the  good things the Lord has done in your life  before , that you will remember them and allow Him to help you to continue to trust  in Him and walk in His ways.
     
    God bless.

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  • 01-30-2008 3:07 PM In reply to

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    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    SpeaktheWord:
     
    2 Corinthians 1:20
    For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
     
    Deuteronomy 7:9
    Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations
     
    Acts 10:34
    Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons
     
    God cannot lie, His promises are true.
     
    This should answer most of your  basic questions. But  God's  promises   are conditional, even though His love is unconditional.  Many times he said IF you do this ....,  I will .........
     
    John 15:7
    If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
     
    There are many more. And we need to take all verses into consideration concerning a certain subject. It would take books and books of writing here so searching the Bible in this way would be better.
     
    The verse above, abiding IN HIM  would even include the conditions  of our walk toward others , as well as God; like walking in love, not being bitter or unforgiving, not taking up an offense  or holding  on to it , being obedient to His word in attitude and deed.  It has eveyrything to do with His promises being fulfilled in our lives and answered prayer.  Jesus said those who love him obey Him and those who do not love their brother, do not have  the love of God abiding  in them.  But He says if we are wiling and obedient we will eat the good of the land. It  just takes an adjustment on the inside.
     
    There have been several Michael's here. Whatever happened I am sorry.  I  humbly submit these things to you in the fear of the Lord, and I pray all the  good things the Lord has done in your life  before , that you will remember them and allow Him to help you to continue to trust  in Him and walk in His ways.
     
    God bless.

     
    I accept your offer to encourage me and appreiate your reply, please do not think I am being in anyway sarcastic or unteachable as others have so wrongfully implied of me.
     
    I love God as much and possibly in some ways far more than any of those who have condemned me of late for as Jesus said they who are forgiven of much LOVE much and believe me I have certainly been forgiven of A GREAT deal!
     
    I have NOT turned my back on God, I am NOT implying in anyway that GOD is not faithful to stand absolutely true to all of his covenant promises, my problem is with the PEOPLE here in these forums who are implying that I do not have an equal right with THEM to expect GOD to also stand faithful to all of his covenant promsies that are just as applicable to me as they are to them!
     
    These individuals have falsely implied that I do not have a teachable spirit which is a lie proven by the fact that I have desperately pled for answers to my questions repeatedly and in response I have only been in my opinion falsely judged and condemned. 
     
    As I have previously pointed out I have done all of these things as best as I am possibly able to of course no one especially me is able to completely hold 100% faithful at all times in all areas BUT even then as I have also pointed out CORRECTLY when God forgives he also forgets which mneans there is absolutely NO possiblity that God would or even could hold any consequences against anyone for anything that he has forgiven them of because IF he were to do thgis that act would make his own promse that the blood of his Jesus cleanses us from all sin a false promise.
     
    My making that statement does NOT in anyway blaspheme anything that God has said as some have wrongfully suggested I have done!
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  • 01-30-2008 5:31 PM In reply to

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    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    Sandy, SpeaktheWord, Gillion1, jmac, Doc, Ada and anyone else who has communicated with Michael:
     
    I think we should take Sandy's adivice to Ada and cease our entanglement and involvement in this
    three ring circus rhetoric with Michael.  It is counterproductive to our cause on the Cfaith community
    site.  Many of his posts/comments have been deleted by admin.  Others need and want our help and
    support...this is pulling us away from those who really want the help.  We must be good stewards of
    our time.
     
    Blessings,
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  • 01-30-2008 5:48 PM In reply to

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    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    Thank you AmeriKan , I agree this is going nowhere. I pray he finds his way.
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  • 01-30-2008 10:39 PM In reply to

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    Re: And I Thought That I Had a Right To Have Faith In God!

    AmeriKan:
    Sandy, SpeaktheWord, Gillion1, jmac, Doc, Ada and anyone else who has communicated with Michael:
     
    I think we should take Sandy's adivice to Ada and cease our entanglement and involvement in this
    three ring circus rhetoric with Michael.  It is counterproductive to our cause on the Cfaith community
    site.  Many of his posts/comments have been deleted by admin.  Others need and want our help and
    support...this is pulling us away from those who really want the help.  We must be good stewards of
    our time.
     
    Blessings,
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    The very BEST thing for ALL of you to do is REPENT!

    YOU have taken it upon yourselves BY your OWN choice to falsely judge me and wrongfuly condemn me ALL without GODS approval!
     
    But then isn't that just like the common self righteous HOLIER than anybody and everybody self righteous people who THINK God has placed them alone on some special pedestal of honor above all the other children of God!
     
    OH but hallelujah praise be to GOD who is HOLIER than all things that GOD sees the TRUE heart of us all in spite of the hateful false judgments and wrongful condemnations of those folks who THINK they are GODS own specially assigned spiritual assasins.

    I hate to think of what GODS true reward will be for those who wrongfully suppose themselves to be better than all others!
     
    I know by the revelation of your lack of true Spiritual understanding and Christ like compassion that yopu have NO idea of how it might feel like yourselves to actually be treated like just so much dirt by people who ought to truly be understanding compassionate, and merciful to those in the body of Christ who MIGHT be experiencing a period of distress and weakness Spiritually regardless of the why.
     
    And I PRAY fervently that none of you self righteous HOLIER than anyone and everyone perfect Christians NEVER have to go through what I have been experiencing of late.
     
    And I pray that you ALL know this:

    I do trust GOD to be forever faithful to ALL of his word and in spite of anything that any of you may think or say MY God loves me just the way I am and in fact he especially loves me in spite of all of my weaknesses and quite often frustrating personality weaknesses and faults and failures.
     
    He loves me because he knows I have NOT given up and he is certain that I will NOT ever give up! I may question him sometimes but he is sure to prove himself to my diligent seeking of his true heart because HE said I could prove him.
     
    God has made a promsie to me in his word that he WILL reward me for being diligent in my faith and in my seeking of him!
     
    Understand this, regardless of what YOU all may think about whether or not God should or should not not provide for the ministry that he has called me into, or whether or not he should or should not make those provisions before I step out or is certainly NOT your decision!
     
    Whatever God decides to do for me is GODS decision alone and I am Confidently and unwavering confident that HE will provide anything and everything that I need before I am sent forth, and he will provide during the walk he sends me forth to walk, and in the end there will remain exceedingly and abundantly an even greater amount afterwards.
     
    THIS is the word of the Lord for me, and NONE of you can ever steal GODS covenant promise for me from me!
     
    And NOW according to the requirement of the words of Christ my redeeemer I express to you all Gods richest blessings and pray even more fervently for GOD to exceedingly, and abundantly bless each of you with an even greater and much more exceedingly abundant provision  of his greatest and most valuable blessings, and I FORGIVE each of you for all that you have done and said to wrongfully judge me and falsely condemn me!

    And NOW Amerikan PLEASE cease from YOUR wrongful commonly hateful continually offensive judgmental condemning attitude and increasingly insulting remarks towards me IF you are able to repent....


    Gillion said:
     
    "Thank you AmeriKan , I agree this is going nowhere. I pray he finds his way."
     
    I have NEVER lost my way, but it would do you much good to search again yourself and find your own way with much diligent prayer and repentance!

    And I will also call to your rembrance this from Gods word: Matthew 26:69-75: and Luke 22:54-62: (Matthew)

    Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.

    But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest.

    And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.

    And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.

    And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.

    Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the *** crew.

    And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the *** crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly. (Luke)  Then took they him, and led him, and brought him into the high priest's house. And Peter followed afar off.

    And when they had kindled a fire in the midst of the hall, and were set down together, Peter sat down among them.

    But a certain maid beheld him as he sat by the fire, and earnestly looked upon him, and said, This man was also with him.

    And he denied him, saying, Woman, I know him not. 

    And after a little while another saw him, and said, Thou art also of them. And Peter said, Man, I am not.

    And about the space of one hour after another confidently affirmed, saying, Of a truth this fellow also was with him: for he is a Galilaean.

    And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the *** crew.

    And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the *** crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

    And Peter went out, and wept bitterly.

    When Jesus turned and looked into the eyes of Peter, who had just so viciously and so very violently cursed and vehemently denied ever having known him it was NOT with a look of disgust or anger upon his face, and it was NOT with a look of  hatred or bitter condemnation in his eyes 
     even though Peter had done what he had done the look in the eyes of Jesus and the expression that was upon his face was one of TRUE understanding and compassion, and sincere love and genuine mercy and absolute forgiveness.

    And when Jesus was resurrected from the grave he said Go and tell my disciples AND Peter that I have risen he carefully specifically and exclusivelly singled out the fact that it was HIGHLY important to him (JESUS) that this man (PETER) who had cursed and denied having ever known him should know that he had risen from the grave and was alive forever!

    I'll just leave you all to consider these things for yourselves and ask you all to also consider the fact that not even one of you has ever been or will ever be totally perfect........

     

     
     
     
     
     
     
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