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  • 06-13-2008 1:35 AM

    Desperate to SEE and EXPERIENCE the MANIFESTATION ............

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    You know, I know there are so many folks who are in SUCH need.  They need a breakthrough and they needed it YESTERDAY..........
    I know God is NEVER late.  I know He is right on time.........but then there are those who really are living right before the Lord and have waited and believed, etc., and it really seemed that God was late.  I am not saying He was........but sometimes folks need money YESTERDAY and a long time back.
    My husband was laid off on April 26.  My dad dies March 28.  And there have been many other things that are REALLY heavy that have happened before and after his layoff.  One being car issues that you wonder WHEN WILL THIS STOP!  I mean, really.  So much.  Then
    our AC does not function but thank God for window units.  And I could go on and on.  We all are still trying to "deal" with the loss of dad and all that goes with that.  Moving things out of the house, paperwork, etc.  And family issues on top of that with siblings, etc.  Anyway, I am NOT at all trying to complain......but I am seeing so many people lose hope and I am STRUGGLING to keep mine and hold and NOT get down into depression.  I mean, going to the store, well, can't buy this and can't buy that, got to pay a bill instead, etc.  And trying to find a job with the gas prices..........best stay home and look online, etc.  So many things......so much going on.  I can't even go be with and visit my mom AT ALL LIKE I WANT TO!  Many of us have not felt well, etc.
     
    So.......what I am saying, too, is us faith people truly know what to say, how to stand on the Word., believe that you receive,  call those things that be not as though they are, declare, proclaim, decree, and so much more............but when one is going thru this and has to do her best to TRY and calm her child down because she is in fear of going down the tubes, and is so frustrated, as are the parents sometimes, and mom constantly saying we WILL have our breakthrough, it is here, we are coming out and on the other side, God is delivering us, etc.,
    but day after day after day and for SO SO SO LONG.........and nothing and nothing and nothing is YET manifested..........I will tell you, this is NOT easy and it is draining and exhausting.  Try and tell that to your child that everything is going to be alright.  Her faith is not "there" yet.
    So many faith people are SO QUICK (as I used to be) to say all the "right" answers but I was also not going through anything at the time that was major.  We can SO HELP those who are but when it seems your whole life is going down the tubes (it feels), it is different.  Everybody has all the "right" answers but sometimes just love and understanding is what is needed.  My spiritual parents are the Copelands. I listen to them constantly.  I have Hagin stuff, Joyce M. stuff, and Smiths WIgglesworth, and John Lake, and I could go on and on and on.  But you know, sometimes, IT JUST IS NOT ALL THAT EASY!  It IS a standing and standing and standing. 
     
    I would like agreers to believe that my husband has a GOOD job NOW NOW NOW!  That ALL bills are paid for ON TIME!  That we have gas money, that we have GOOD transportation, ..........basically BREAKTHROUGH NOW!  My daughter has been so uptight and so concerned.
    And yes, I tell her all the faith and right answers.  I really do.  We are FAITH PEOPLE!  And in Gal.3 it talks about people of faith are blessed, happy, and favored.  I have been quoting that verse for SO LONG..............and I BELIEVE IT.............but will I get to experience it before the rapture..........I SURE WANT TO AND HAVE PLANNED TO! 
     
    I guess I have gotten a bit weary (and yes, I know the verses for that as well and read them AND TRYING NOT TO BE WEARY).  We DO tithe, give, etc.  But there has been no income coming in.  But whenever anyone gives us anything, we tithe of it.  Someone gave me a Olive Garden gift cert.  We tithed off of that.  My husband mowed someones yard and they gave him 35 dollars.  We tithed off of that.  My mom even gave us 35 dollars for some work we did for her (though we sure do try and stop her from doing that and usually we are successful but not this last time), we tithed off of that, too.  Mother's Day money, we tithed.  We give above it.  But listen, we are looking at that checkbook and we are saying all the right things over the checkbook.....and we have stood and stood and stood............we want to SEE the change.  We have for YEARS!  Also, we know about Eph. 6 and the verse about when you've done all......STAND!  We have been.  But I will be VERY HONEST...............WE ARE TIRED!  Something has GOT to change. 
     
    We are NOT the only ones.  We know of others in our church who are without jobs or they need a breakthrough, etc.  So we know it is NOT just us.  I hate it when people say, "You are not the only ones going thru a hard time!"  Like we don't already know that and how does that help us anyway.  BUT WE DO CARE for those folks. We really do.  We try and do all we can for others as much as it is possible.  We really do.  We refuse to HOLD BACK. 
     
    So what on earth am I saying in all of this?  PRAY FOR US PLEASE FOR BREAKTHROUGH!  Pray my husband Mark gets a job ASAP, like today!  It is Friday already.  Pray for us for our finances, transportation, and just breakthrough all around.  Sad to say, we are just "skipping" over Father's Day.  At least, it seems that way now.  Same was true for Mother's Day.  My husband will just have to be satisfied with an ecard (which he would be) from his family.  We will go up to my dad's grave Sun. or Mon. His birthday is Monday.  He would have been 84 Monday.  He was also a WWII Vet. Hero!  My dad IS a HERO!  I miss him.  And my mom IS my best friend and this is not easy for her either.
     
    We appreciate your prayers!  Really we do.  Please don't write back to me with a bunch of preaching.  I DON'T NEED THAT!  I get that galore already.  Preaching, teaching, etc.  We just need HUGS and LOVE and PRAYERS!   I know all about all the right faith answers.
    I remind myself of them all the time anyway.  I glue myself to prayer and God's Word.  IF you feel you have a Word from God for us, please share.  WANT THAT!  But please, don't scold, or spank, or slam, or fuss, etc., for anything that I have said.  Faith folks sometimes do that.  I have even done before, in the past, but learned that that doesn't work well.  GOT TO LOVE!  We need SUPPORT in prayers and love and any words the Lord has for us.   
     
    Thank you for your time in reading me "vent."  I AM EXPECTING BREAKTHROUGH!  Hope I have some agreers!
    God Bless You All!  I pray all is well with ALL of you!  We have to remind ourselves WE ARE IN THE BLESSING and THE BLESSING IS WORKING FOR US! 
     
    Blessings!
    Jan
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  • 06-13-2008 6:19 AM In reply to

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    Hey Jan...

    I LOVE YOU!
    I LOVE YOU!
    I LOVE YOU!

    I will not preach to you, but I will say that God has been showing me why I have not yet experienced the manifestation and I sense that my prayer for you should be that the Lord will show you what is blocking you.

    I agree with you that you will see and experience the manifestation.

    I know what you've written above and I've got a lot to say but you've told me not to preach and it would probably sound like that but suffice it to say that what I have to say is coming from someone who could write a similar post to what you've written above.

    If you would allow me to, I will give you one of the things that has helped me to unclog what had been blocking me.

    The Lord helped me to realize that the devil has been working diligently to keep me bound up in fear.  He has been threatening our supply and stealing our finances.  He has been stealing money that we have tithed off of and given offerings off of.  For years.  Well, not it's time for him to repay and I'm expecting it...like Pastor says, we've got our necks stuck out.

    Anyway, the areas I'm working on is to put the fear out.  Jan, as soon as I open my eyes, that fear is right there waiting for consciousness so that it can pounce like a roaring lion, because that fear is seeking to devour me.  So I have to remember that I am in the secret place of the Most High and the devil can't get to me and no evil shall befall me because Jesus, my Redeemer is in there with me. 

    He has given his angels charge over me to keep me in all my ways and those angels are in charge of distribution of goods, finances, food, houses, properties, everything that has to do with the Blessing, so I am not to let the devil threaten me with trying to cut off my supply.

    I scream Scripture at the devil and he has to leave me.  I am training myself to cast those thoughts down immediately and to immediately replace them with the word of God, by faith, in the midst of the curse that's trying to destroy me. 

    Several times, as I have read through your post and as I have been writing this reply Jan, the Lord has shown me a faucet.  And the Holy Spirit keeps reminding me of a story that Kenneth Copeland told about laying on a bed one evening and he happened to look up and there were pipes over his head - an elaborate pipe system over him and he was under one that was open and something was dripping on his head.  He moved and shouted to the Lord, "What is this?" 

    The Lord said that what was dripping out was the blessing but that he had clogged it up with junk and he had stopped the flow and all that was making its way through were those drops.  I keep getting a faucet with the handles on either side that we go up and turn ourselves to start the flow of the water and a drain.  Funny thing is Jan that our bathroom drain has been clogged for quite some time now and we've just been putting up with it, but a couple of days ago, I started working to unclog the darn thing.  Now I'm seeing some significance here.

    I don't know if that's for you Jan or for me or for both of us. 

    Anyway...

    I LOVE YOU
    I LOVE YOU
    I LOVE YOU.

    BUT I DON'T LOVE YOU AS MUCH AS OUR FATHER LOVES YOU.

    HE LOVES YOU MORE
    HE LOVES YOU MORE
    HE LOVES YOU MORE

    He is watching over His Word to perform it in your life.

    2nd thing He's been speaking to me...

    I'm not preaching Jan...

    Anyway, the 2nd thing is Luke 10:17-19 and the Lord has been breaking this down for me.

    In verse 17 these people who were NOT born again came back and said that devils were subject to them in Jesus' Name.  These people were destroying the works of the devil and they weren't born again because Jesus had not yet gone to the cross, and here I sit, a born again child of God and I have the Holy Spirit living on the inside of me and the devil is kicking my butt?????  What?????  He's been defeating me with something that I've been redeemed from?  We've been redeemed from the curse of poverty and lack Jan.  What the heck is wrong with us? 

    Wait...I apologize.  That could be construed as preaching.

    Anyway...The Lord broke down verse 19 for me. 

    Behold I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy and nothing shall by any means hurt you.  That's how it reads in the KJV.

    In the Amplified, it says...  Behold! I have given you authority and power to trample upon serpents and scorpions, and physical and mental strength and ability over all the power that the enemy possesses; and nothing shall in any way harm you.

    Then, He taught me this way...Behold Dee, I have given you authority to have absolute mastery over demons and over all of the ability of the enemy and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

    I have authority over demons and the devil and they can't do anything to hurt me.  If they are trying to hurt me, they can't because I have absolute mastery over them.  Jesus said in Matthew 28 that all authority and power on earth and in heaven has been given to Him and He gave me the authority to use it.

    They can't steal my money because that would hurt me, and I have the authority and ability to tell them to STOP IT!!! in the Name of Jesus AND THEY HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME!  THEY HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME AND STOP IT!!!

    Do they want to stop???  No
    Have they been trying to do other things???? Yes

    DO THEY HAVE TO STOP????  YES!!!!!  WHY???  BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE AUTHORITY BY JESUS OVER THE DEVIL AND HIS WORKS AND HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO HURT ME.

    I'm screaming at the devil Jan, not you.  Trying not to preach here Sister.

    I've figured out that I am not to pray about my finances anymore.  I am to speak to my mountain in the Name of Jesus and I am to keep speaking the Word to my mountains in the Name of Jesus and I have to STOP praying about stuff that He's already taken care of.  It's like...Dee, what do you want Me to do?  I've given you the authority to kick devil butt.  I've given you the authority to have absolute mastery over the devil.  Everything that he's stolen, I've gotten back, why are you still praying for me to do something I've already done.  Do what I've told you to do.

    So At the beginning of this week, I've started walking in my authority.

    On Wednesday my husband got a 6% raise.
    On Thursday my son got a 3% raise, and I got a 15% raise
    On Thursday, another son got a job.

    The enemy has tried to step up his attack...but I have absolute mastery over all the ability of the enemy and he can't hurt me and the angels have been given charge over me to keep me in all my ways and they are in charge of distribution and they do God's pleasure and God takes pleasure in the prosperity of His saints.

    Gotta go to work Jan...

    I love you, but He loves you more.

    Oh, but they way,  Jan...

    I should have told you this before, but one of the things we've been dealing with is the fact that when our paychecks were direct deposited into our accounts, we were $900.00 overdrawn when the money was deposited so we were operating from a deficit before we even started.  This was been going on for quite some time now and by faith my dear Sister, the devil has been rebuked by God and has taken his hands off of our money and he will restore 7 fold, every dime that he's stolen because it's money that we have tithed off of and given offerings off of.



    Dee














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  • 06-13-2008 9:18 AM In reply to

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    Praise God Ladies, you are both overcomers, no doubt at all, you have prayed and now thank God for the abundance you have NOW, not going to have, but already have, I am in agreement, AMEN! I agree Jan that sometimes we get so "Well I am WOF", so I have it now, when "something" is blocking our breakthrough.
    We are so blessed, theres not much I could add to your post (Jan), or to that also blessed Lady, Dee!
     
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  • 06-13-2008 5:28 PM In reply to

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    Thank you Dee and jmac for your loving replies.  I am sorry I kind of put you in a box, Dee.  I guess I just did not want someone to take their finger and shake it at me and fuss at me.  And sometimes we can do that with preaching.  But you did not.  Nor jmac.  I appreciate your love and sensitivity.
    Dee, all that you wrote about, I have already done.  I do appreciate you sharing what you did.  I have done the same thing you have done.
    In fact, my favorite verse is Luke 10:19.  I just don't know what else, if anything, that I need to do or we need to do.  I did do it again today.  I have done this frequently.  I have taken authority over delays, obstructions, obstacles, hinderances, etc.  I have told the devil to get his hands OFF of our stuff.  Etc.  I have spoken to the "mountains."  So I guess this is why I have been (we have been) baffled or frustrated.  It is like is there something else we need to do or not do or speak out or take authority over.  I mean, I have done SO MUCH!  Not that I am perfect or anything.  I have declared the end and the result from the beginning.  At chuch we all have put our checkbooks, wallets, purses, etc. on the floor and prayers, declarations, commands, etc., have been spoken over them all.  Even the shofar has been blown over them.
    We have done so much.  And we have been standing and believing and believing that we receive.  So that is where we are.
     
    Thank you so much for your love, prayers, and agreeing with me or us in this.  Same for you jmac.  I appreciate you and all you have said and your agreement.   Both of you are a blessing, BIG BLESSING!  Love you both!
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  • 06-14-2008 12:14 AM In reply to

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    Jan, my dearest sister in Christ,
     
                                            First of all I don't want to be preaching at you either. We have all been in times of despiration. We have all wandered aimlessly through that wilderness experience. So sweetheart, I can honestly say, I've been there, done that, and would not want a tshirt to remind me of it. However, I am reminded of some scriptures I do want to share with you. If you think I am being "preachy" then just delete me and go on.
    Hebrews 4:1Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith.[a] 3Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

    When I read your letter, I felt struggles, and turmoil. I did not sense the "rest" of God. I know that this is a very difficult place you and your family is in. I know that your hurting because of watching your daughter go through turmoil, and your husband not finding work. But, even through the midst of storms God has provided a place in the spirit that is "restful". It comes through not concentrating on what is not happening now in the natural, but by praising God for what is happening in the spiritual realm. IN the place (place used as a noun) of faith there is rest in times of extreme turmoil and chaos. Every good and perfect gift comes is from above...the providence that you are seeking for is in the realm of faith, it is in the spirit realm, and it is released through faith. Faith is believing that you already have something even before you see it manifested. My sweet sister, you are carrying such a heavy load, and I really feel it is because you have not found that place of faith. You may be quoting the right scriptures, and declaring the right things...but until you really, really believe that your provision is already manifested, then you have not made that faith connection.

    Faith is now, your provision is already created...you need to take the key to faith's door and open it through praise. Praise is a powerful weapon, it is also a powerful faith releaser...you need to praise God and praise him until you feel that change in the atomsphere of your own spirit, when you know that you know it has been done.

    There is covenant provision that you need to hook in too. You need to put aside all the religious "right" things to say and do, and learn about the "power" that is in covenant provision. Maybe God is allowing you to go through this so that you can grow and increase in this area of your life. Remember the children of Isreal in Deut. 8:1-2 Remember how the LORD your God led you all the way in the desert these forty years, to humble you and to test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands. 3 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.

    And then verse 18 But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.
     
     
    To know God is to know His covenant. To walk with God is to walk in His covenant. This will change your life my dear sister, and it will produce results like you've never seen before.
     
    There is nothing more powerful on this planet then the word (the covenant) of God.
     
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  • 06-14-2008 12:43 AM In reply to

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    quote user="Dee Price"]I've figured out that I am not to pray about my finances anymore.  I am to speak to my mountain in the Name of Jesus and I am to keep speaking the Word to my mountains in the Name of Jesus and I have to STOP praying about stuff that He's already taken care of.  It's like...Dee, what do you want Me to do?  I've given you the authority to kick devil butt.  I've given you the authority to have absolute mastery over the devil.  Everything that he's stolen, I've gotten back, why are you still praying for me to do something I've already done.  Do what I've told you to do.

    So At the beginning of this week, I've started walking in my authority.

    On Wednesday my husband got a 6% raise.
    On Thursday my son got a 3% raise, and I got a 15% raise
    On Thursday, another son got a job.

    The enemy has tried to step up his attack...but I have absolute mastery over all the ability of the enemy and he can't hurt me and the angels have been given charge over me to keep me in all my ways and they are in charge of distribution and they do God's pleasure and God takes pleasure in the prosperity of His saints.
     
     
    Dearest Dee, YOU GO GIRL!!! You are walking in the power and the authority of our covenant with almighty God!!!
     
    Good Job DEE, signs and wonders are following you.'
     
     
     
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  • 06-14-2008 1:47 AM In reply to

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    Thank you so much Blessed of God.  I SO appreciate all you have said and you really have it all nailed down.  But you know, what has been worse than the situations has been how my husband has been handling it.  He just has not really been at rest or peace at all. He keeps on trying to "figure it all out" himself and to "do it" himself.  Sometimes he can be so in turmoil and anxiousness and confusion that when he walks into the room or comes nearby, you can really feel it in the atmosphere.  He really needs prayers.  I actually have entered into the rest but I get out of it.  And then get back into it and then back out of it.  When I get out of it is usually when he is REALLY all messed up.  It is very difficult to be around a person like that.  It is almost like he just cannot LET IT GO and give it to God and rest and trust.  So both of need to enter into that rest and STAY THERE!
    I also have been hearing God over and over again say REJOICE and PRAISE ME and THANK ME for THAT JOB I have "already" given him (even though we don't see it yet).  I have done that a whole lot but like I said, my husband can get SO stirred up in the negative way, it really has messed with me.
    But it is the truth!  RESTING in HIM and the Covenant we have with and in Him!
     
    I cried as I read your reply.  I want to apologize for saying no preaching please. I just meant the beating down kind.  And NO ONE has done that to me.  Guess I just have been tired of the abuse that some can give to "help" others.  But all the responses have been SO LOVING and caring and I greatly appreciate that.  And if you did preach any, it was the REALLY GOOD KIND.  Same for Dee and jmac.  You all are so sweet.
     
    Blessed of God.........thank you for being so gentle and loving and caring.  What you said is so true!
    And right on.  I think what you heard (besides what you have already said) in my post is frustration from my dealing with my husband. I am not trying to make it sound like I have a bad husband.  I SURE DON'T!  This has just been very difficult for him.  He is SUCH a GOOD man.  A GODLY MAN!
    One who REALLY loves the Lord.  But he needs to take his hands off of it. He has been SO GLUED to trying to find a job that he has not spent much time with the Lord.  It sounds like he thinks he himself has to "fix" this.  But the 13 years he was with this company, he was so miserable in it.  He was like a Joseph.  But I actually believe this is NOW his pit, prision to palace experience.  I truly believe that.  He was SO faithful in this job and he went to SUCH EXTRA miles in it.  Way beyond what was expected of him.  So I just believe it is pay day for him........reward time.  But please pray that he can let go and let God have it and REST himself.  And me, too.  And my daughter.  She is 13.
    Mark and Julia are their names.
     
    God bless you and thank you again.  And thank you again Dee and jmac!  You are ALL a blessing!
    A HUGE BLESSING!  You have given me much to think about and meditate on.  And I WILL enter that rest and I will say that Mark will, too.  And Julia!
     
    God bless!
    Jan
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  • 06-14-2008 6:41 AM In reply to

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    Thank you BlessedofGod for your response to Jan because it has also helped me...

    Although this reply was directed at our dear sister Jan, I too am going to meditate through it.  My Pastor, through the Holy Spirit  taught on entering into His rest during his New Years Eve service and I believe that Brother Copeland did also and I see that I have let that message slip.  Entering into His rest is the ultimate confirmation of trust in His Word and in our Father's promise that HE is watching over His Word to perform it.  So many times we forget that we are not the ones performing His Word through all of our confessing and operating in works as we're trying to DO what the Word says.  We fail to remember that our job is to believe that we receive when we pray, believe that we receive when we confess the Word...believe and enter into that rest and Praise Him. 

    We have been seeing God's provision but as Jerry Savelle has said, we've been in the land of just enough for a very long time and I for one am done with that land.  Our Lord has been teaching me about walking in our authority and this is a lesson I am believing God to learn very, very well.

    Thank you...

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  • 06-14-2008 7:47 AM In reply to

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     Good morning Jan;

        I'm a first timer. I'm Dee's husband and she brought me in like she usually does but this is important. The body of Christ has to learn how to deal, knowing that we have the authority, the power and the ability is great but how do we really use it? That's where I tend to get stuck as a man letting God or someone else do for us. If we as men have the right stuff that's hard for us to do on the surface but we (men) have to submit as God wants us to. Being out of work and I have been there. I even sold perfume on the streets with my wife and boy was that bad but that was us trying to do it on our own. Men have a different type of reasoning but this difference can be re-directed to be a benefit to all. Maybe the men or people at your church who need work can put their heads together, combine their talents and see if a business or something could be developed from that for the time being.  Not the surface talent, but everybody has dreams and desires.  There's stuff that you do because you have to and there is stuff that you love to do.   Maybe from the stuff that they love to do, something can be developed.  As God says, delight yourself in Me and I will give you the desires of your heart. People are starting businesses all the time with companies down-sizing or just going under. I don't know what your husband did but I do know that God has given us a myriad of different talents that we might not realize can be profitable. That's where us men have to step out of the box and trust God. It may not be just getting a JOB this could be God's way of moving him into another field or area. I'm assuming a lot here and I apologize but I do know through direct experience that this is how God works. In the bible the rivers never stopped until they stepped into the water in faith. So there you go, have your husband and the other folks just get wet. I am moved and I will pray for ya'll (I had to break it up a bit). I will stay posted and God bless you.

    Larry



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  • 06-14-2008 8:24 AM In reply to

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    Dee's husband Larry, what a great and truthful post! I know it is hard for me as a man to understand why we just don't just "kick" the devils butt, and move on. It really doesn't work that way, and then, we want to "take care of it our way", no outside help.
    In my post earlier I was "attempting to be diplomatic" and say "thank God for the answers to lifes problems, quit praying about the same thing, which has already been committed to us (in the spirit realm) and praise God for the answer".
    As it has been said--"It isn't all that easy to do, but we must remain in faith until the breakthrough comes!"
    Larry now that I have your name I will pray for "DEE and LARRY", not Dee and her husband--LOL--Praise God!
     
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  • 06-14-2008 8:27 AM In reply to

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    I forgot to say "Thank you all for sharing with the rest of us!"
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  • 06-14-2008 11:22 AM In reply to

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    Jan, I understand all the frustration that you are going through. I can see that you are taking a measuring stick and measuring your husbands faith. But, that is not what the word of God tells you to do. God states in his covenant with you, you ask in Jesus name and you will receive. It doesn't state for you to ask in Jesus name and if your husband lines up with the correct amount of faith then you will receive.
    No, listen to what Jesus said in Mark 11:24 amplified version
     
    For this reason I am telling you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe (trust and be confident) that it is granted to you, and you will [get it].
     
    Jan, this is powerful!!! There is no connection to you and your husband's lack of faith. This is your connection to what Jesus already promised. Whatever you ask for in prayer, you believe, you trust and you be confident that it IS granted to you and you will get it.
    That is shouting grounds!!! Take the brakes off of your faith, take the limits off of your faith. YOU BELIEVE YOU RECEIVE IT AND YOU WILL GET IT....YOU TRUST AND BE CONFIDENT THAT IT IS (already) GRANTED TO YOU AND YOU WILL GET IT!!!
     
    I liked what Larry suggested in his reply to you about the people in your church getting together and putting all their ideas together to perhaps to start your own business. That reminded me of Deut. 8:18 But you shall [earnestly] remember the Lord your God, for it is He Who gives you power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swore to your fathers, as it is this day.
     
    The word "power" there literally means "ability" God will give you the ability to get wealth...wow!!!
     
    Good word Brother Larry! You and Dee must be some powerful team together!!!
     
    Get on cfaith and listen to teachings of the covenant Jan, build up that most holy faith by praying in tongues...sure your in a battle, but you are more then victorious. God is the God who gives you the victory...He is the God (of covenant partnership) that causes you to triumph...
     
    Look up the words victory and triumphant in your dictionary...do you see defeat in those definitions???
     
     
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  • 06-14-2008 11:36 AM In reply to

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    Jan, I hope I did not sound harsh in the above reply. I only want you to see that you have a covenant with our heavenly Father, that out weighs anything else in your life. It out weighs the negative that your husband is walking in. It out weighs any defeat the enemy might trying to put on you. You have your own personal covenant relationship with God that is greater then anything else. There is enough faith in your covenant with God that can create and bring to pass everything you are in need for. You need to stop and re-evaluate your contract, your covenant relationship with God. God is all powerful!
     
    Romans 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
     
    The Gospel is the good news, it is the contract between us and God. It is the power of God unto our salvation (our deliverance) of everyone who believes...there is a key word...the power of the gospel works through our beliving it is working on our behalf.
     
    Jan, you have a powerful covenant between you and God that is sufficent enough for all your needs...
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  • 06-14-2008 1:14 PM In reply to

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    Hello everybody.  I just will write everybody I need to through this one email.  I hope to address everything I need to.  First, I don't get on CFaith hardly at all and I don't want to.  I personally don't want to waste my time on the computer.  I would rather be listening to my teaching tapes, CD's, DVD's, and materials to help me grow.  I do off and on get on CFaith to read or post but I rarely every get on everyday.  I just am not interested in getting on the computer.  Too much time is wasted on the computer even when one is "doing good."  We have to have balance.  I think sometimes we can waste time.  Have fun but not let it consume so much time.  And I am in no way saying any of you do that.  I just have seen where it can take up so much time and a lot of that time is wasted time.
     
    Mark needs the breakthrough of employment NOW!  He doesn't have time to pull together men to make one.  We need money now.  But there is no one at church that is wanting to do that or has mentioned it. Some already have their business (carpentry, renovations, painting, yard work, etc.).  My husband has to make enough money to take care of his family.  I homeschool and we are also in ministry.
     
    I don't want any of you to think we are brand new babes in the faith.  Actually we are not but we SURE DO NEED to be reminded of what we have already learned AND learn more.  We still know so little.  I guess we will always know so very little considering all there is to learn.  But concerning my husband.  I am not basing anything on my husband's faith.  All I was just saying about that was that it tries to pull on me (his actions, his comments, his behavior, etc.).  It is so full of doubt and unbelief and fear and other things.  That is in NO way cutting him down.  I know what that is like and I used to live that way all the time.  RIGHT NOW we are going thru this hard time and it is something that we have not experience in quite this manner.  He has been without a job before and numerous times but it is NOW!  It is kind of scarey now with all that is going on "out there" in the world.  I KNOW we do NOT look at that and we are hooked up to Heaven's economy!  I really am not taking a measuring stick to my husband's faith and I TRULY know that I can believe and receive what I have prayed for when I prayed.  All I am saying that it has been SO MUCH HARDER to stand strong because he can sometimes really try to PULL on me and affect me.  I am married to him and no matter how strong I am in the Lord, there is an affect.  Joyce M. said before no matter how strong a Christian is, when they have a lot going on in their lives, it can have an affect on them in some kind of way.  You can be attacked long and hard and no matter how much you stand strong, you can still be affected in some kind of way.  So that is what I am saying.  He can get SO restless and nervous and edgy and it can really be difficult to be around that because of the intensity of it.  He is a really layed back kind of person but when so much for so long has taken place, it sometimes is hard to be on your best behavior and manners.  Agreement is also very imp.
    I would never judge or compare or measure his faith.  God knows better than I do how much faith he has so I am not going there.  He has had to put up with me at times having little faith.  All I was saying is that it has really been very difficult being around him when he is all tied up and all nervous, fearful, uptight, confused, etc.  We all can "act out" when we are this way.  It just has been difficult for me when he has been this way.  I am going thru a bunch of stuff myself personally.  I even think I am now going thru the change of life on top of ALL this stuff.  But I am even speaking to my body about that.
     
    We truly are strong folks.  BUT.........we are going thru "this" particular thing and it just has not been easy.  (testing in the fire it seems).  The idea of a bunch of guys getting together sounds real good but I don't think it is going to work in this particular situation.  Not now anyway.  Mark's interests are different than a lot of the guys there at church.  Either the men go to work and work for other people or they have their own businesses and Mark is not interested in those that he knows about.  He needs to start work NOW!    It really is a good idea but it does not look like it works in this situation.........at least for right now.
     
    I am grateful for you all and your help and support.  IT REALLY IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!  And I want your help and support.  And you better believe that I am praying in tongues a WHOLE LOT more than ever before.  IT REALLY MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE!  
    I will look thru all my teachings and find some on the covenant.  Can never get enough of any teaching no matter how much we listen and we need to be reminded of these things ALL THE TIME!  God IS committed to me, to us, to us all!  He IS faithful, reliable, trustworthy, and therefore, EVER TRUE TO HIS PROMISE....and He can be depended on!
     
    I love you all and God bless you.  I will keep you informed.  Larry, thank you so much for writing me.  Some guys would be so insecure to write me with what you said.  Same to you jmac.  I appreciate the male angle!  Maybe I can get Mark on CFaith a little bit for some encouragement.  He is on the computer so much right now looking up jobs and such!
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  • 06-14-2008 1:17 PM In reply to

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    You are fine Blessed of God.  No problem.  I know you care and love me and want to help me.  You are a blessing!   You all have been that to me...........brothers and sisters who REALLY care!  THANK YOU!
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